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Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - Ottawagrant - 09-05-2017
I use Linux Lite to do my banking & buying. I sleep very well, thank you.
Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - newtolight - 09-05-2017
(09-05-2017, 09:51 AM)Jerry link Wrote: That's the communities job to audit. So who are you trusting? Other people on the internet.It still remains a confusing issue, since it seems everybody points to others when asked about responsibility for what they are delivering. Not that this is exclusive to IT only...
So, in the end, one can simply flip a coin when choosing between two seemingly similar distros? Nevermind, no need to ask that, it's more of a rhetorical question...
(09-05-2017, 09:51 AM)Jerry link Wrote: Iso mount - right clicking on the folder you have mounted to unmount it, does work. I use the exact same Thunar action here.
I have followed your exact specifications. In Thunar, under "Devices", under "File System" appears the mounted volume. Right clicking there and choosing "Disconnect" gives some error and does nothing. Left clicking the mounted .iso (under "File System") and then right clicking inside the mounted directory and choosing "Unmount" does nothing. Right clicking on the original .iso file has no "Unmount" option. Is there another directory in the "File System" where the "Unmount" command should be used?
Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - Valtam - 09-05-2017
You don't right click inside the mounted directory, you right click on the mounted directory. I don't know where you are finding Disconnect, but that is not what you use here. Hope that helps.
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Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - Digistylus - 09-06-2017
(09-05-2017, 04:39 PM)newtolight link Wrote: So, in the end, one can simply flip a coin when choosing between two seemingly similar distros? Nevermind, no need to ask that, it's more of a rhetorical question...
A real answer seems to be right in this thread that the LL team seems dedicated to helping out users of the distro. So I'd say one does not simply flip a coin when choosing between seemingly similar distros.
If you really do have misgivings about LL or any other ubuntu based distros, especially if it does not meet your standard of security or trust. (Heck, that was the main reason why I decided to use windows only for offline or non critical machines and situations where there are no other practical alternatives. Because I personally can not trust MS anymore at this point.)
I don't say this to offend you but have you considered looking at other alternatives that might better meet your personal standards. How about Debian 6, iirc that one is used by the International Space Station.
https://training.linuxfoundation.org/why-our-linux-training/training-reviews/linux-foundation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migration
Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - TheDead - 09-12-2017
Like Jerry mentioned, its impossible to go trough every line of code in an OS for verification. The time it would take, the OS would be years behind technology and useless.
I'm pretty sure, involuntary security holes are a bigger concern than voluntary spy wares or user information gathering sub-programs... well except for Windows 10, wink, wink.
That being said, like any program, once a piece of code makes it trough QA, it's released. Being patched and corrected during it's life cycle.
Same goes for a lot of things that are scarier like car manufacturer recalls or how the post or duty office can only check 1-5% of packages going trough.
Even NASA can have bad and really bad days. And don't check too much about food companies and what goes into food itself.
It's similar to when someone asks me how they can be 100% safe on the Internet, I tell them, "You can't be 100% safe on the Internet! It's like asking to be 100% safe when driving on the highway." You have to assume the risks versus the benefits and utility of the technology.
Even not on the road, the most secure car can be broken into and stolen. You could always up your security, having a guard dog inside can be discouraging,
pouring cement over it would be a great theft deterant. 99.9% secure but also 99.9%useless.
Getting back to OSes I prefer an open community where others can verify but also contribute, compared to a closed OS that can do whatever they want and patch things when they see fit or when facing public pressure. If you want the community to be able to check all parts your OS and programs, maybe staying away from closed source third party programs, drivers and extensions. In other words staying in the "libre" side of softwares.
Personnaly, I tried Libre-only, but since I play games on Linux also, when you get to recent nVidia videocard drivers, propriatary ones are so much faster (sorry Linus Torvalds).
Cheers!
- TheDead (TheUxNo0b)
Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - Valtam - 09-12-2017
Just an FYI for consideration. I also do PC repairs. The job I just finished had:
- 2 unauthorized user accounts
- 1 remote connection set up
- Dozens of malware, viruses installed
- Registry infected
all on Windows 10. I am grateful to MS for a steady income
Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - TheDead - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 03:50 AM)Jerry link Wrote: all on Windows 10. I am grateful to MS for a steady income
That made me LoL! So true! In this case they're indirectly financing Linux development. Strange days!
You remind me of Symantec, I'm pretty sure I can count YEARS of my salary on how buggy/crappy and insanely huge BackupExec was. They fed clients that crap for a decade at least. When they get too big to sit in their chair, somethin' gonna break.
In this case BackupExec's broken chair is now back in the hands of Veritas, the original creators.
MS has an solid adamantium throne (decorated with pilfered jewels and the bones of a thousand slaves) it seems.
But... Vulkan is coming!
Re: Questions about Lite, mainly Ubuntu privacy oriented - newtolight - 09-26-2017
Hello again.
I’ve been doing some research in the meantime, both theory and practice. From the theory here are a few links which may bring more light into the subject:
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160104#qa
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160711#qa
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-spyware.html
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-wrong-reasons.html
I’m not into Linux for the wrong reasons, I hope. What fascinated me from the start about the free software idea are its implications: a greater degree of trust in the software that one uses, less bugs, less power to capitalism...
Because capitalism is a self-defeating, self inflicting horror. Paraphrasing an ancient saying: “When two tigers fought, one will be dead while the other badly wounded.” Nobody is truly happy. Maybe by sharing resources both might have been?
Making a profit can be done in an ethical way, but that implies fair-play and the understanding that we are not masters of this planet, we are just simple, humble visitors who should respect one another.
How this translates into the software world: Software company/community X needs to earn some money from their hard work. Fair enough, no problem with that. But be transparent about it and don’t mislead customers. Invite them to test and audit your code, encourage them to use their faculty of reason and ask questions.
Make the product both user friendly and reliable. Offer some basic free support and get paid for extended one.
Need extra money at some point? Ask for donations, make a fund raising campaign, be up front with user data handling. That’s superior marketing.
Actually, that’s the best marketing. The one that is not cruel/uncaring/capitalistic at the core. The one that treats humans like partners, not sheep. The one that creates possibilities where all can win and where nobody is left right-less/home-less etc. You will win more hearts in this way.
From what I’ve seen so far, Linux Lite scores well at these points. But it can still be improved.
……………...
At an even more concrete level, I consider these three factors important enough in a product to influence trust in that product:
1. User friendliness
Few distros that I’ve tried so far are truly user friendly. Lite is definitely among them. It works out of the box and lets one get productive with minimum configuration effort. Wine and PlayOnLinux support greatly helps when Windows software is needed.
2. Reliability
Even fewer of the user friendly distros are reliable. By “reliable” I mean consistent, stable and not suffering from regressions.
I’ve used Xubuntu in the past a lot, since it was a simple and very user friendly distro (in no small part thanks to the Xfce desktop as well), less bloated and easier on system resources than either vanilla Ubuntu or Linux Mint.
But in the last days I’ve tried to boot Xubuntu 16.04.3 live from a usb stick. Didn’t work. Froze at boot without even any menu showing at all. On the very same hardware, Xubuntu 14.04 worked fine. From the very same stick, I’ve been able to boot the latest Lite. What conclusion can be drawn from these facts?
3. Communication with the team
This means both friendly attitude towards new users and competence in finding the best and simplest solutions.
This is the most sensitive factor. I don’t know if any distro community can achieve top score here, but I know from personal experience that Mint is low, while Lite is decent.
I’ll bring my own examples with Lite:
a) When I asked about how to unmount the iso, I still couldn’t understand what to do exactly, since I’ve never used that procedure before. I have feared to ask more about the matter, since I have felt some degree of impatience from my respondent after my tries.
Only accidentally I’ve discovered that there is a temporary folder that is created in the same directory where the iso file is mounted. That temporary folder only lasts as long as the iso file remains mounted. Only by right clicking on THAT folder was I able to unmount the previously mounted iso.
What added to my confusion was the fact that one can right click inside the mounted iso and no effect was achieved. I just think an ordinary user could not know all of these without proper instructions…
b) When I asked about:
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/on-topic/how-to-change-login-resolution-screen/
I have received a link containing many different opinions about how to approach the problem. Which one is right, up-to-date and doesn’t risk breaking the system, though? Again, confusing.
………………
In any case, I think overall Lite has achieved a lot in making Linux easier to use (as it should be). Hopefully it won’t ever let its users down.
Sorry for the long post, but some things need be said. My hat off to Jerry and the Lite team, my respects to everyone who has taken this matter seriously. Best regards.